Estee Nack Speaks on Latest Project with V Don and Lynn Hip-Hop
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Hailing from the streets of Lynn, Massachusetts, Estee Nack is a lyrical super saiyan on the mic, representing the essence of East Coast hip-hop with a unique twist. You might’ve heard him featured on Westside Gunn’s 2019 album, “Hitler Wears Hermes 7,” but Nack has been crafting his own distinct wave of sounds since the early 2000s. He emerged into the scene with his crew, Tragic Allies, becoming a trailblazer for Massachusetts Hip-Hop, and leading a new generation of raw artists from his city like al.divino and The Hidden Character.
AKA Nacky Chan, his flow is like the drunken boxing of rap, capturing listeners with his relentless energy and brain breaking bars. Drawing inspiration from artists like Mobb Deep, Wu-Tang Clan, and Big Daddy Kane, Nack has been steadily releasing a consistent catalogue of underground classics for years. He recently released an album fully produced by V Don.
In our exclusive interview with Estee Nack, he opened up about his Hip-Hop origins in Lynn, his new project with V Don, and his plans for 2023. As a pillar in his community and a genuine individual, Nack's authenticity shines through in every aspect of his music and character, making him an artist worth following and supporting.
THIS IS WORDS WITH WORD$.
1000WORD$: Yo, what's going on man? It's your boy 1000WORD$. I'm here with the motherfucking legendary man, the God himself, Estee motherfucking Nack.
Estee Nack: Nack Chan baby.
1000WORD$: Nacky Chan, where you residing at right now? Cause I know you ain't in Lynn motherfucker.
Estee Nack: I'm 93 million miles away from the sun, you know what I'm saying? On the planet Earth, the home of Islaam.
1000WORD$: Yo, supposedly they say that the mothership is out there right now, bro. Like the spaceship mothership is in orbit right now.
Estee Nack: Haha well shit, I don't know about none of that. We're farther than them, that's all I know.
1000WORD$: Yeah. So Nack, you got an album coming out with V Don, or it came out today, right?
Estee Nack: Yeah, it just came out today.
1000WORD$: 3/17. How was that experience working with V Don?
Estee Nack: Quick, fast, easy, efficient, on point, fire.
1000WORD$: Was that your first time working with V Don? Or you work with V Don in the past?
Estee Nack: We worked in the past. That was our first time locking in for a project.
1000WORD$: I know you shot a couple of videos last time you was in New York, right? Which songs you shot videos for?
Estee Nack: The "SANG TSUNG" joint, and then the other one will be revealed in due time.
1000WORD$: Okay, so now, last year was a real busy year for you, man. You got to grace to stage a few times. When I was in my house, I sat down and I thought to myself, "Yo, how can I think about a show and all parties involved?" And I know that, me staying in the city that you're from, Lynn, I was like, "Yo, man, I wish I could bring that to the Bronx, to my backyard." That's how I looked at that. When you came through bro, it was actually like you described it bro. It was like an asteroid just hit the Bronx.
Estee Nack: Película.
1000WORD$: That shit was a movie. Was that any different? Not just because it was my show. I don't want to talk about it like that. But was that any different from any other performances that you've been a part of?
Estee Nack: I mean, yeah. Every performance to me is different. For me, it's the same modus operandi. I'm going up there and I'm just letting loose, you feel me? But yeah, hell yeah man. It was its own experience. You know, I mean the venue had to do with it, the location, with everybody in attendance, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, hell yeah, that shit was a unique vibe, man. I had a good time.
1000WORD$: So the way I looked at you, before I even got to meet you, I thought that Lynn was a place where you was flying around sparring, and just like destroying shit, and fighting enemies. You was like One Punch Man out there in Lynn, you know what I'm saying? I felt like you was One Punch Man on your fucking Goku shit, you know? You guys say you guys started to splash out there in Lynn, right?
Estee Nack: Absolutely.
1000WORD$: When would you say that the splash started for you?
Estee Nack: I feel like it was always kind of there, but we didn't put our finger on it. There's like joints from way back, early 2000s, you can see like little mini splashing happening. But you know, we didn't have the technology. We just stumbled upon similar mechanisms that may have resembled a splash, but eventually became the splash. I'd say about like 2018-2019. By 2019, we was disrespecting all the laws and standards, you know what I'm saying?
1000WORD$: Facts. Cause the way that you guys attack the track, you in particular and divino himself, but I'm talking to you, you just like....it's like a different kind of floating, bro. It's a different kind of floating. I've never heard anything like it. So yeah, me staying out here in Lynn for probably almost three years, you guys are the only people I know that can just get on shit like that, and do shit like that. And I see dudes trying to replicate it but it don't sound the same, you know?
Estee Nack: There definitely is other cats in the city that got the splash, most of which, of course, [are] the young boys that came up under the umbrella, you know what I'm saying? They got they splash going on, you feel me? But you know, it started with us.
1000WORD$: And I see your nephews. Those are your nephews, right? The Mellos?
Estee Nack: Those are my cousins.
1000WORD$: Your cousins. I can see your influence, like the way that they splash as well, you know what I'm saying?
Estee Nack: Right, right. Word is bond.
1000WORD$: Can you remember when they found out that you rapped?
Estee Nack: I mean, I can't call it. They might as well be my nephews. you know what I'm saying? Like this they whole life. Since they was little jits man, running around. We was always in and out the studio, you know? They older brother is also a musician so me and they older brother was always, you know what I'm saying? Like the motherfucking middle finger and the index right there.
1000WORD$: So what is the 23 Incredible Industries?
Estee Nack: The 23 Incredible Industries man, that's the brand for the 23 Incredible Tragic Allies. That's where we at, you know what I mean? The Mini Mansion, the Mini Mansioneros, That's our brand, you feel me? Duece Tres. This the motherfucking legacy son. Since high school man.
1000WORD$: And who's under that umbrella? As far as like the Mini Mansion and 23 Incredible Industries. Who's affiliated?
Estee Nack: You know, it's a wave man. I don't like to put a finger on it. But those who really listen and pay attention, you know the vibes. You see where it's at.
1000WORD$: Yea nah, what I was trying to say is who are the members? Like I know you The Mellos, I know you got Divino, you got The Hidden Character, or this is just a lifestyle for the way that you've been living out here in Lynn. I don't know, that's what I was asking. For the people that's reading this, what I want them to understand is what the 23 Incredible Industry is and what the Mini Mansion is.
Estee Nack: I don't want them to understand that though.
1000WORD$: Hahaha, enough said. That was perfect. So, I see that you planning a show, hopefully, for your return back to Lynn in May, right?
Estee Nack: It's tentative. We even talked right now, trying to do something in the city. Something to bring it back to Lynn, where it all started at, you feel me? I'm gonna come down there for the summertime so I want to pop something off. Do something like a welcome home party, man.
1000WORD$: I see that you went to DR recently. How was that experience? I know you go to DR all the time.
Estee Nack: It was Dominican.
1000WORD$: What are some Dominican activities that you do as soon as you land?
Estee Nack: As soon as you land, type shit, you're drinking a beer before you even get out the airport, you know what I mean?
1000WORD$: Facts.
Estee Nack: Change a little bit of money, just a little bit, you know what I mean? Get a little bit of beer, maybe buy something at the duty free.
1000WORD$: Now that Hip-Hop has turned 50 years old, you know, I sit here and I thought hip hop was older. Hip-Hop just turned 50 and I feel like this shit still young, you know what I mean? What has Hip-Hop done for you throughout your life?
Estee Nack: That's a deep question, man. I can't say Hip-Hop has really done it. But Hip-Hop has been a vehicle for me to do things. I was able to recognize something greater than myself than just like weakness and succumbing to the pitfalls of coming up in low income housing and subsidized neighborhoods, you know what I'm saying? Hip-Hop was definitely a way for me to see the light within myself and to see myself in a different way; [wouldn't have seen] a light at the end of the tunnel, man. Shit could have been real dark.
1000WORD$: Word. You think Hip-Hop provided you the tools you needed to express yourself and be able to get your message across to the people that's listening, right?
Estee Nack: Hell yeah. It was definitely a mechanism. It was a mechanism from me to a track, or [for] me to have a voice when I otherwise may feel like I couldn't express what I really wanted to express.
1000WORD$: Who are your influences? Who were you listening to when you were growing up in Lynn? It doesn't have to be Lynn cats, it could be anybody in Hip-Hop. What were your early people that you were like "Oh shit."
Estee Nack: Mobb Deep, [Wu Tang Clan], Big Daddy Kane, Das EFX, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony. When I was getting into middle school and shit, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony was popping.
1000WORD$: Yo they were fucking crazy, bro.
Estee Nack: They probably had afros at that time.
1000WORD$: Haha.
Estee Nack: Yeah, man. Shit, Gang Starr.
1000WORD$: Guru is from Boston, right?
Estee Nack: Yeah. Guru is from Roxbury originally.
1000WORD$: Yeah. People say he was from Brooklyn, Queens. I found out I was like, "Guru from Roxbury?!"
Estee Nack: He was coming out of Brooklyn. That's what it was. He would rep Brooklyn cause that's what he came out of, that's what showed him love. He even got a song where he talks about taking off. He talks about leaving Boston, it was just dry for him. He just couldn't figure it out in Boston. So when he went to New York, you know what I mean? It's a similar type of vibe in Massachusetts, where people feel like they gotta get out of there. Thank goodness now we got the internet, you feel me? Like we was talking earlier, we don't even so much have to move our feet. We can move our feet where we're at and then send it through the telecommunications, via satellite, here, there, wherever else we gotta send it.
1000WORD$: Nah, facts. Cause the way I look at Massachusetts Hip-Hop, you changed that shit for me bro. Not to say that I didn't respect Hip-Hop over here, I just didn't know much about it. You made me interested in coming out here to Lynn and just seeing what it's about, because the way you was talking bro, I've never heard anybody talk like that from out here in Massachusetts. And seeing the environment where you from, like I get it, you know? I definitely get it. Lynn is definitely like one way in one way out.
Estee Nack: Word is bond. You see the vibes now.
1000WORD$: Haha, for real.
Estee Nack: Even when people leave, it keeps a piece of your soul, man.
1000WORD$: Word. I love it, man. I really love it out. It makes me it makes me feel at home because it's like the same thing you get anywhere else. You got your fiends, you got your stick up kids, you got your Hip-Hop, you got this shit lit out here. Shits dope to me, you know?
Estee Nack: Yeah, man
1000WORD$: So what else you plan on this year? You plan on doing more shows, dropping more albums? People always asking you about the "Nacksaw Jim Dugan." I know people is always asking you when that's coming out; how many songs you got on it? I just want to say here that I heard a few of them shits, Nack, and you reaching like Super Saiyan level God or some shit, in the stages to being a Super Saiyan, you know what I mean? You just keep reaching different levels, man. I'm always impressed. That's what I can say. But other than that, what else you planning? Are you working on another tape with SadhuGold?
Estee Nack: Not currently. You know I work from out the shadows. It's gonna be a real fun year, man. I know. It's 2023 son. It's the year of the Duece Tres. We gonna put the wisdom together with the understanding and make sure that the power is manifested, and then everybody feels it. Because last year, it was just a kick in the shin. Today is a punch in the face.
1000WORD$: Hahaha, yeah. I ain't even look at it like that. It is the Duece Tres year. It's the 23.
Estee Nack: Yeah, so like I'm just getting started. There's a lot of things to come. It's not just this V Don shit or this [Westside Gunn] joint. There's a lot of things coming. It's gonna be beautiful, man. Mr. Rose got some shit going on. It's definitely gonna be a Duece Tres type of energy all year long.
1000WORD$: Me and you discussed previously, a couple of weeks ago, about going to Dominican Republic and just chilling out there, soaking up the sun, and just doing what it do out there. I know you look at the relaxing part, but you know me, I want to do all this shit at once, I want to do this, I want to do that. I talked about doing a show out there but you said, not that we don't have the crowd out there, it's just people probably won't know what's going on. But I feel like people just gonna pull up, if you was to do a show out there.
Estee Nack: Like n****s would take a flight? Like n****s would just go to DR?
1000WORD$: I don't know, maybe people would just go to DR. But I think people in DR, just the thought of having people from the United States, and Hip-Hop, and performing, and you know what I'm saying? I think they'll just pull up. I think the people out there will just be like "Yo, this is something different. On my way. Vamos a ver que esto" I think they'll be like "Yo, what is this? Let's go take a look."
Estee Nack: Right, we'd have to be plugged in with like the people that, you know? I mean, cause you know I got good resources out there. But as far as like for what we got going on, I'd have to look into it. Because it's a different vibe out there man. They don't want to hear nothing but Dembow right now. Dembow got the whole Caribbean, and the whole like Western Hemisphere, and Europe now in a chokehold, man.
1000WORD$: Yeah, you got all those kids dancing and doing everything like cuarenta y dos, like 42nd.
Estee Nack: Yo, it's crazy, flipping razor blades. Ain't nobody ever had flipping razor blades in your mouth as part of the dance. It's unheard of.
1000WORD$: Hahaha. I seen it, like it gets me scared because they twitching and they doing the twitchy thing and they flipping the blade like fucking acrobats bro. They just flipping them shits on they mouth I'm like "Jesus Christ."
Estee Nack: Amazing that that's part of a dance, you know what I'm saying? It's just mind blowing.
1000WORD$: Did you grow up watching wrestling?
Estee Nack: I did.
1000WORD$: What wrestler would you be if you was to pick one?
Estee Nack: Damn that crazy. I fuck with my n***a La Parka.
1000WORD$: Whooo! My man said R.I.P. to La Parka, ya heard?
Estee Nack: Oh yeah, he just returned not too long ago. Yeah, but I fuck with La Parka. I fuck with some of the Mexican, like luchadors, you know what I mean? Them n****s got a real art. Definitely Macho Man Randy Savage, man. Anybody thats man, like Nack Man, Macho Man, you know what I'm saying?
1000WORD$: Yo Macho Man and Hulk Hogan were the mega powers. I just watched that shit yesterday man, like the WrestleMania. I forgot what WrestleMania it was where Hulk Hogan and Macho Man fought, when they turned into enemies and shit. Macho Man is a legend, man.
Estee Nack: Yeah, fam. The Macho Man, Hulk Hogan, that schism was always legendary man. I forgot what joint it was too man, but I was always a Macho Man. I wasn't a Hulk Hogan type. I fuck with Hollywood Hulk Hogan. NWO Hulk Hogan, I fucked with, but Macho Man was really my guy.
1000WORD$: Macho Man was on his bullshit, man. Him and The Ultimate Warrior were just talking intergalactic portal diving shit.
Estee Nack: The G.O.A.T. though is The Undertaker. That's the G.O.A.T..
1000WORD$: 100%
Estee Nack: That's the G.O.A.T., original Undertaker, before the biker n***a. When Undertaker started becoming a biker n***a that's kind of when me and wrestling parted ways. I kind of stopped really fucking wrestling like that. Because the characters kind of started becoming like MTV pop stars. I don't know if that makes sense, you know what I mean?
1000WORD$: Yeah, no disrespect cause they all legends, but I know what you mean. It became like a reality TV show within and it's not really reality. Like The Rock was over here wilding. They made it more TV, like you said. I know what you mean.
Estee Nack: Yeah. Mind you, I love all the interviews and all the drama and all like the scenarios, like NWO type shit, even like the Generation X and all that shit. I was still there, but then shit just started losing me, son. Shit started losing me. Nobody had the cool themes no more, son.
1000WORD$: Yo, I felt like Undertaker was really dead, son.
Estee Nack: Yo, my G, straight up fam. He didn't talk and if he did it was like some weird shit.
1000WORD$: He was jumping out of coffins, getting buried alive, you know what I'm saying?
Estee Nack: Yeah bro, come on fam. Yo, that Undertaker vs. Yokozuna casket match, man.
1000WORD$: Facts.
Estee Nack: Shit was crazy. The Undertaker vs. Mankind casket match, come on son.
1000WORD$: Them shits was crazy. The Hell in the Cells bro, like Undertaker vs. Undertaker bro. When it was like the gray Undertaker versus the purple Undertaker.
Estee Nack: Hell yeah.
1000WORD$: And then the motherfucker came out with the urn and shit. Whose ashes he had in there if The Undertaker was alive?
Estee Nack: Yo man, listen man, I'm sorry. You know who the G.O.A.T. is? I'm sorry. The G.O.A.T. is the excellence of motherfucking execution, Bret Hart. That's the real G.O.A.T.. Undertaker became like you know, afterwards he kept going after Bret Hart, but Bret Hart was always my favorite.
1000WORD$: Facts.
Estee Nack: My top favorite, you know what I mean? The excellence of execution.
1000WORD$: Who are some unspoken heroes from your hood that you grew up listening to? Like that people never heard of, like some people you grew up listening to?
Estee Nack: From the hood? Shit, Dungeon. Dungeon man, 316 Shut Eye, and then like the gods that used to rock with that cypher. UWC and a couple other cats used to fuck with that cypher, man. Them cats was some of the first n****s really just recording music and putting it out from the city. So you know, it was dope. We rocked with it heavy. That shit was mad influential, son.
1000WORD$: That's dope. Did you go to any shows out here in Lynn growing up? Were there any little spots that had little shows, or any places you performed at are out here in your city?
Estee Nack: Yeah, son. N****s used to do shows here, there, and everywhere son. I'm talking about like, even like the reggaeton shows used to be rocking, and Nuevo Mundo, which is New World. That spot, they ain't rocking no more, they done shut it down. But that shit was crazy lit, son. Maximos was lit. Phoenix got shut down quick, but there was some crazy shows at Phoenix. Son, there's been crazy spots. N****s even used to tear up the AOH's, and the function halls, and shit. There's always been shows and shit in the city, and turnt up house parties with mic setups and shit, you know what I'm saying?
1000WORD$: When I see you pop out out here and I see you around your community, and when I say your community I mean Lynn, I see how much of an impact you have on the youth. I see how much the youth respects you and listens to you. How did you manage to put yourself in that position to be such a pillar and a leader in your community?
Estee Nack: I just had goals man enough, you know what I'm saying? I always wanted to fuck with the fly shit, bro. I always wanted to do something, man. Ever since I was young I didn't do what everybody else did. So as I grew older, I kept on doing what I did man, and just stayed true and stayed productive man, that's it. You stay true and you stay productive man, people gonna see you son. You can teach them without ever talking to them.
1000WORD$: That's crazy. Well Nack man, apart from all that, I hope you enjoy your [trip]. You turn summer whenever you want it to be summer. Because it's winter over here and it's been summer for you since summer been summer.
Estee Nack: Nah, not yet. It's cold, man. It's like 60°.
1000WORD$: Hahaha. Motherfucker it's like 20° out here in Lynn.
Estee Nack: It's not quite pool weather yet, bro.
1000WORD$: Yeah. Nack man, I appreciate you, man. This conversation was dope. We gonna keep tapping in with you frequently as you always progressing, you know? I appreciate you my brother.
Estee Nack: Yo, I appreciate you more, ma boy.